In this episode, host Kristie King sits down with Amanda Sears, Chief Community Impact Officer at The Senior Alliance (TSA), to discuss the wide-ranging tools and culturally responsive resources available to caregivers in Southeast Michigan. Amanda shares the story behind TSA’s Caregiving Haven, tailored community caregiver guides, the EXHALE innovation program in partnership with ACCESS, and TSA’s advocacy efforts that aim to elevate the caregiver experience and voice. Tune in to hear how caregivers are finding support, visibility, and relief through these impactful initiatives.
Guest: Amanda Sears, Chief Community Impact Officer at The Senior Alliance (TSA)
Hosted by: Kristie King
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Kristie: [00:00:00] Welcome back to Caregiver Conversations where we explore the real stories, challenges, and solutions that matter most to caregivers. I'm your host today, Kristie King, executive Director of the Southeast Michigan Senior Regional Collaborative. Today I am joined by Ms. Amanda Sears, chief Community Impact Officer at the Senior Alliance Area Agency on Aging one.
C Amanda brings over a decade of nonprofit leadership experience and has a deep commitment to building equitable communities. She's here to talk about a powerful collection of tools and programs that support caregivers across Southeast Michigan, including the Caregiving Haven, the Excel program, in partnership with access and the importance of advocacy.
Welcome, Amanda. So great to finally get you here.
Amanda: Yes. Thank you for having me.
Kristie: So Amanda, let's start with the Senior Alliances Caregiving Haven Haven. Well, first I wanna back up a little bit. Can you talk a little bit, just give a brief [00:01:00] overview of the Senior Alliance itself, because a lot of us out here, a lot of them out here in podcast Land, may not know with the Senior Alliance, or we call you guys the TSA, what you guys do.
Amanda: Yeah, so we are the. Area Agency on Aging for the 34 communities in Western Wayne County and down river area. So we have kind of half of Wayne County. Mm-hmm. We provide services for older adults, caregivers, um, as well as the My Choice Waiver Program, which is a Medicaid program for people who wanna live in the community instead of in a nursing home and receive services there.
So we serve adults with disabilities in that program as well as older adults.
Kristie: All right, we'll get more information, more about what TSA does as we move along. So I'll go back to the questions at hand. Um, so can you talk a little bit about the Senior Alliance's Caregiving Haven and what inspired this initiative?
I.
Amanda: Yeah, so the Caregiving [00:02:00] Haven launched last June, um, after a long period of building our tools. It was, it's funded with state caregiver resource center funds, which were provided to area agencies on aging across Michigan. Um, and it was one time funding to support caregivers, and we wanted to build tools that would be long lasting and.
Impactful. Something that we wouldn't necessarily need to start a program and then end it or do something like that. So we looked at of various tools and resources and what else was out there in other states and what we could build to put this all together. Mm-hmm. For caregivers. We were also in the middle of updating our website, so it was a perfect opportunity to kind of build onto our new website, the Caregiving Haven.
Um, and. Have that be kind of the centralized hub for everything. So we have caregiver resource guides. Um, a main one [00:03:00] that is for anyone who is a caregiver, maybe thinks they might be a caregiver, might be a caregiver in the future, um, as well as some specific ones for people who. Are in different communities such as, you know, caregiving in the black community, or, um, middle Eastern and North African community, Hispanic and Latino.
Um, we will have some coming out for people dealing with Alzheimer's or dementia, um, as well as veterans and a couple others. We also have a caregiver binder, which is really, mm-hmm. Helpful. Um, this is a tool that we've seen different versions of it, like different, you know, hospitals will give them out or different organizations and it's usually like a, a long document that you can put all of the information for the person, for you or the person you're caring for.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: And we wanted something like this on our site and we ended up making it so that you can [00:04:00] just select the. Documents that you want, and then download all of those as PDFs and the thought is that you would then print 'em out and fill 'em out and mm-hmm. Put it in a binder and it's like health information as well as like what pharmacy you use or who your home insurance is from.
Mm-hmm. Who puts your lawn, um, if. If you're an immigrant, like where do you keep the documents? Mm-hmm.
That you have? Mm-hmm.
Amanda: If you're a veteran. So it's kinda a place to hold all of that important information that you will need. And I've sent it to my parents, like, fill this out so that we don't.
Kristie: They said, sure.
Amanda: Say We
Kristie: got you Amanda. We got you. Stop telling us what to do. That's what our parents always say. Yeah.
Amanda: And it's, they have not done it.
Kristie: See, no, I know. Believe me. I know. So with the Caregiving Haven, it sounds like it's very sustainable on its own that it's like really this resources resource that caregivers or family members can really just go into, or health systems can [00:05:00] just go into and use it as kind of a, um, as a building block.
To support our caregivers or like you said, those that may think they're caregivers and not sure. 'cause we know we have that conversation all the time.
Amanda: Yeah. Or people that don't even know that they're caregivers. Mm-hmm. And they come across it. I mean, that's, um, and the front of our caregiving guide, we had somebody give the guide when it was a draft to their mother.
Mm-hmm. And they read it. And they were like, oh my gosh, I never knew like I was a caregiver. Mm-hmm. All of those years. And her telling her story to us we're like, can you write something for the, exactly. So we put that at the front of the main wow caregiver guide, because that's really what we're trying to do is help people realize.
When they're in it. Mm-hmm.
Kristie: Mm-hmm.
Amanda: There are resources for them,
Kristie: which is so important because we often hear that, um, I don't, I didn't know what the resources were. I didn't know who to call, and sometimes that one phone call will change their life. [00:06:00] Totally. Change their life. Right. Can you walk a, walk us through a little bit of some of the guides and some of the tailored.
Um, materials a little bit more. You mentioned some of the, the, um, community specific materials. Can you talk a little bit more about that? I think that's, it's super important because oftentimes we don't think about the differences within communities and understand that it's important for us to identify those differences, to understand how we can best serve those communities, whatever that is.
Can you talk a little bit, maybe give a couple examples, additional examples?
Amanda: Yes, absolutely. Um, so the, the main caregiver guide is. Kind of like I said for everyone. Mm-hmm. This is. The one that has all of the information that you may need, may already know, but has a lot of really helpful stuff. It talks about the challenges of caregiving, has some useful tools in it, like how to map your caregiving network out.
Mm-hmm. Like a social mapping kind of tool. Mm-hmm. And give all the instructions for that so that you can see like, oh, I didn't think of this [00:07:00] person as somebody I might be able to lean on for support, to just help you see that you're not alone. Mm-hmm. Um. It helps you with assessing like the needs and how to go about figuring out what you need and where to get it.
Um, a lot about self care. Um, it talks about end of life care and grief, um, and just, you know, how you deal with the end of the caregiving journey. Um, it talks about respite, kind of the whole gamut of caregiving is. In this main guide. And then we knew, like you said, there's nuances in different communities.
There's different ways that you approach things or even just caregiving in general. Um, like it's not a word in some languages because it's just. Something that you do, and it's not really something that you think of as different than what you do for your family. So knowing that the, the main large communities, [00:08:00] um, in our region are, um, would be black or African American, um, Arab-American or Middle Eastern and North African and Hispanic, Latino.
We wanted to make guides that. We're tailored for them. And so we drafted them, but knowing like we're not necessarily part of those communities, so we don't speak for them. So we partnered with organizations in each of those. So the caregiving in the black community we worked with, um, the Healthier Black Elder Center mm-hmm.
Center. They're at Wayne State University Institute of Gerontology. So they went through it, gave us comments. We had a focus group with, um, their. Volunteers, um, an advisory group. Um, and they gave us a lot of really helpful feedback and we did that process with each of them. Um, and one of the things like with the black community is historically, I mean, [00:09:00] there's a lot of resistance for good reason to, you know, seeking medical care.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Um,
Amanda: especially in older adults. And so we addressed that in there and. You know, it's not necessarily like, oh, just go ask your doctors. Like, well, no, I'm not going to ask
Kristie: your doctor. Yeah. Right.
Amanda: Yeah. And you wouldn't know that necessarily if you're just somebody else. So, um, and then in the Arabic community, you know, they're a very, you know, family centered and this is just something you do.
And, and talking about that and mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And looking at that, and we worked with access. Mm-hmm.
I'm not gonna get their acronym right. I'm not
Kristie: gonna air kde.
Amanda: I'll start that over again. Yeah. Um, for the, the caregiving in the Middle Eastern and North African community, we worked with Access. Um, they're a strong partner of ours at the Senior [00:10:00] Alliance, so they. I went through the guide, you know, gave us feedback on everything.
Um, even provided all of the photos that we used. Oh, wow. So that one, I'm really excited that the photos are all actually photos that they took instead of, you know,
Kristie: stock photos. Yeah. The other ones are
Amanda: more a mix of like some that we had and then mostly stock photos. Um, and then we're also working with them right now.
To have it translated into Arabic. Um, so I'm hoping, we're all hoping that that one will be released next month, but it just depends on how long it takes for translating and then re reformatting everything. Um, and then we worked on the caregiving in Hispanic and Latino community with MHP Salud. Um, they are a national organization that works.
Mostly with community health workers, um, in the Hispanic community. Um, they do a lot of really amazing work [00:11:00] and took time out to work with us on developing this guide. Um, we reached out to several partners locally. Just wanna give that, um, shout out, but. Just staff capacity
Kristie: absolutely
Amanda: on their end was limited.
So, um, we found this partner and then we're working on getting that one translated into Spanish as well. Um, and really those guides just get into the, you know, nuances of those communities and things that they. Might do differently or, you know, ways that they care for their families in ways that others don't.
Kristie: I think that's a, a great, uh, reference generally. Um, because when we think about it, I know a lot of times we really want caregivers to be a part of the care team at the health system level and at other levels as well. And so even thinking through that process, I think having a document like this that can be referenced to say, Hey, just read these pieces.
Gives, gives to me the community a little more information about, um, everyone is not. [00:12:00] Monolithic everyone, all caregivers aren't the same. All cultures don't approach caregiving the same way. And I think that's definitely important, um, as we go into this work, as we do this work. And we look for this work to be impactful and successful.
And so in kind of thinking about that and thinking about, for me, that's a huge, uh, impact on equity. Making sure that we're, um. Really thinking through the strategies to make sure that we're, um, acknowledging our cultures and, and that work itself. And so your background alone includes a strong focus on equity.
Um, how is the senior alliance ensuring that caregivers from diverse backgrounds are getting the support they needed? Um, and I'm, I'm saying that beyond the materials that. Have been created. And the acknowledgement with that understanding, understanding to me from the top down that it's understood that there are differences.
And so how, what are some other ways that, um, that, that TSA is ensuring that these caregivers, um, are getting the, the need, the help that they need? [00:13:00]
Amanda: I think a main thing that we do that I'm really happy that we do is. Trying to have a strong understanding of who our community is and who's living here, and what their specific needs might be.
So we're not necess, we're not making decisions. Here without talking to the people at the local level. Um, as much as possible, we've taken a lot of our programs to the community level. Instead of like bringing them in here, like our Medicare
counseling
Amanda: is at the senior centers and libraries. Instead of having people come to us and knowing that if we're going somewhere for.
A program and people are speaking Spanish, primarily in that area, that we have somebody who's translating.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: Um, and doing things like that and tailoring our offerings to what's in the communities. [00:14:00]
Kristie: So a little, a little twist on the, on the, the conversation a little bit, but what brings you to the work and the passion and the commitment to keep moving forward in this work?
'cause I know you've been doing this work a long time, and so just to know what, what, what fuels you to, to keep going, um, with caregivers to keep going in older, older adult services? What fuels Amanda?
Amanda: Yeah. I mean, I've always had a strong connection to my elders. You know, I never saw myself in. Senior services or anything like this.
And honestly, I just needed a job and got a job at an area agency on aging and then was like, this is it.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: Like I was, I knew I was, you know, wanting to work in social services, but before this I was working in housing and homelessness and, um, once I started working with older adults and. Building programs and seeing like, I mean, it's something that's going to benefit all of
us.
Yes, absolutely. [00:15:00] Because
Amanda: we're all aging. Yeah. And, and then understanding the needs of caregivers and that caregivers are like, what holds it all together. Mm-hmm.
Kristie: Definitely to go
Amanda: have caregivers in the picture. I mean, we'd, you'd have to outsource everything like you just. Would be, it wouldn't work.
Kristie: It wouldn't, yeah.
It wouldn't, you know
Amanda: how to explain what it,
Kristie: it wouldn't
Amanda: work would be, and just knowing like from my own family and what it means and how navigating every, how hard it is to navigate everything.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: And find the support. And it's stressful and you feel alone and, and we just need to support caregivers and, and I think.
That's what keeps me going with it. I mean, knowing that what I'm doing is really going to help all of us.
Kristie: Mm-hmm. You can see, you can feel the impact. And I always say working with older adults, they just draw you in. Next [00:16:00] thing you know, you're just here, you are having these conversations and you're just in love with this work, it just makes it so easy.
So I definitely, definitely understand that I. And, and we'll, so I'm gonna switch back again. I just kinda always kind of wanna know that because you can't just show up in this space and just do the work from a void. But a lot of times people show up in this space for a reason. They fall into it and then it's like, oh wait, this connects to me.
As you said, all of us are aging, all of us are, you know, we have some type of caregiving experience or we're touching someone, or we know someone. And so I just think that's definitely important in our journeys, our own personal journeys.
Amanda: Absolutely. And knowing that it doesn't matter where you come from or what you've done, like we all deserve to age with grace.
Kristie: Absolutely.
Amanda: And have access to what we need. And so that I think is a driving factor of what.
Kristie: Absolutely.
Amanda: Yeah. It's like my way of, you know, it's give back. Yeah. [00:17:00]
Kristie: I was gonna say it's a, it's a give back. Yeah. It's a, it's I and I often, I think of it the same way. I think of it as a give back. It's like, it's my work that I do every day, but at the same time, it's my opportunity to give and be impactful in a different way and to get paid for it.
So that makes it even better. So find something you love to do. You never have to go to work a day in your life. That's what I live by. So ongoing. A little bit more about, um, the caregiver work. You guys are involved with the Excel caregiver support program, um, at Access, the SRC, we're also doing some work with Excel as well.
Um, so talk about your program that you're working in partnership with Access and what makes this program unique? Um, that innovation. 'cause care, you know, Excel, we don't know out here in the community, but Excel is really about innovation, caregiver innovation.
Amanda: Yeah, so we're working with Access. They're the main grantee, um, through the Exhale program, and they're, they built a program for caregivers.
It's sort of like a support group, but [00:18:00] more like a, a space to come and gather. Mm-hmm. Get information and resources, but also just kinda mm-hmm. Let go of some of the stress of caregiving.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: So we invite people to come twice a month. Um, and one is just caregivers, the o, the second one. Is with their care partner, the person they're caring for mm-hmm.
Um, is invited. Um, and we include like an educational piece Gotcha. To this so that it's, you know, because some people don't, they're like, I don't, I don't need that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But then if you're writing education, it's less of a, you know, the. I don't wanna say stigma, but, but there is some, yeah. I mean, I feel like there's a better word for
Kristie: it.
Yeah. But like, you need something, they don't wanna have that. Yeah. Or I need you, I don't need to. Yeah. Got it.
Amanda: Yeah. And, and they found this through their Halal congregate meal program. Wow. Um, it's kind of modeled off of what they did with that, where they bring in [00:19:00] a speaker once a week
and
Amanda: that was a way to help draw people in to the program in the beginning.
And now they love it and they help decide what the topics will be for upcoming days. So we're building that into, when we are designing this program, like let's bring in an educational piece mm-hmm. So that it helps people who might be more resistant to go to a support group.
Mm-hmm. Um,
Amanda: but then they're also, if even if you're not resistant to that, you're getting.
Some kind of extra knowledge about caregiving. Mm-hmm. That's going to help you. Um, and then the, the weeks when we have caregivers bring their loved one
mm-hmm.
Amanda: Uh, we're working with Wayne State University, um, to have nursing students come. So if the person needs respite, they can get that.
Mm-hmm.
Amanda: Um, and then we are planning, hopefully in the summer we'll have some outings like possibly go to the.
Try [00:20:00] to institute arts. Yeah. Or some other, you know, field trips with the group. So, yeah. That
Kristie: sounds exciting.
Amanda: And it's for, um, I always wanna tell people it's for anyone Access primarily, you know, is focused on supporting the Arab American community. Mm-hmm. Um, but this is for everyone. They, and they do translate.
Okay. Um, if people aren't speaking English and they. They have people that speak over 60 languages, I believe there. So,
Kristie: and that was one of my questions as far as the presenters, that, that's providing that educational piece, that, are they all related directly to the access community or they're just abroad, but translation is available?
It sounds like it's definitely, uh, opportunity for everyone to learn from. So it sounds like your, um, excel uh, caregiving program, that innovation is definitely something different, and so it sounds very restorative for caregivers. And so have you seen the program transform someone's caregiving experience where they've been coming regularly and they've really, really [00:21:00] just noted how impactful it's been?
Amanda: Yes. We've had, um, a, a group of people who've been coming since the beginning and it has just really helped them with. The everyday stress of caregiving and just having that sense of not being alone
mm-hmm.
Amanda: And having someone that they can talk to and like, you know, it's a, just being there is a form of respite.
Yeah. I mean, one of the most impactful things that I saw when we were doing the focus groups for this project, but we were doing a focus group, which you don't think of as like a. Fun activity that you'd wanna do all the time. And we had caregivers like, when is the next one? Wow. Like, we need to do this more.
And we're like, what? And they're like, I just need this time away for myself and to eat a meal by myself. And. We're like, okay, we need this program to start. Because if they're wanting to come to [00:22:00] focus groups, like we can do so much better.
Kristie: You say they just, they just wanna touch something different. They just wanna be in a different house.
Yeah. Like
Amanda: a space that's just for them. Yeah. And, and that's what we've been able to build and it's slow. It's been about six months that we, since we started. Okay. So it's still off to a slow start, but it. Built that into it where people are like just getting that sense of relief and like, I have a little time to myself.
Kristie: No, you guys are moving pretty fast. I was gonna ask, were um, was access part of the first Excel, um, cohort or the second? So this is the second cohort. Wow. Yeah. So you guys are moving pretty fast.
Amanda: Yeah. Yeah.
Kristie: That's great. That's great.
Amanda: Hit the ground running right away. I, I can tell '
Kristie: cause I'm like, okay. I know when the, when the grantees were announced, I'm like, you know, you guys are moving pretty, pretty fast.
That's great. That's really, really good. I think the other part of that is the advocacy that happens in all of this as well. Um, because just like you said, that particular [00:23:00] caregiver was. You know, the caregivers are like, Hey, can we come back Advocating for themselves, feeling that, recognizing there's something else.
Um, but how does the senior alliance, how do you guys advocate on a larger level as well? I know you guys of course, um, for a long time and advocacy has always been an important part of the work that you guys do. Um, so what tools have you guys created to help caregivers and the general public advocate for change?
We know there's a lot going on right now. How have you guys stayed? Um. Stay in a position where it's allowed you to continue that education that you guys have always been known to do?
Amanda: Yeah, I mean, I, I will credit our CEO Jason for that
Kristie: love Jason.
Amanda: He is, you know, advocacy is the, you know, top of what
Kristie: mm-hmm.
Amanda: He wants to do. It's, you know, his,
Kristie: it's his thing, language
Amanda: policy. Um, but it, it's also. So important for all of [00:24:00] the work mm-hmm. That we're all doing and making it easier for people to advocate for themselves. Um, so we built a tool on our website, um, through Congress Plus. Mm-hmm. Um, that you, we have, you know, ready made letters that you can just send out.
Mm-hmm. Um, you just put your name and address in there and it quickly just pops up with who your representatives are and. You can modify the letter if you want to. Mm-hmm. But you don't have to. You can just send it and it takes two minutes. And I think a lot of times it's just that not knowing what to say or like who to contact or, oh, I have to look up, you know, the contact info for my legislator and
mm-hmm.
Amanda: It's like if we wanna make it as simple as possible, because hearing from constituents is really what's going to make the difference in. A lawmaker's decisions on things and you know, [00:25:00] they listen to all of us at the, you know mm-hmm. Organizational level. Right. So much. But it's like, once they actually hear from the people who are voting from them and in their districts and who they're representing, that gives so much more weight.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Behind the issues and hearing like, this is. Actually impacting somebody's like day-to-day life and hearing those everyday stories. Um, so that online tool is one of the things. And then also just continuously doing advocacy, um, meeting with local, state, federal officials, um, letting them know what's going on in the aging network mm-hmm.
And the caregiving network and how our programs and others programs are. You know, impacting their constituents. Really the heart of what we do. So
Kristie: yeah, it has been definitely, I think it's, um, I thought it was such, it was so unique, the tool that, the online tool [00:26:00] that you guys have, that you're using the platform, um, because it's really an easy way to empower our community, our caregiving community, our older adult community.
Um, just one click. A couple clicks. I'm gonna say one click, but a couple clicks. Mm-hmm. But it's easy way. It's easy. Instead of, like you said, them having to figure out what am I supposed to say? What am I supposed to do? I don't know who my legislators are. It's all right there. And I think that's a, a very unique, very helpful, useful tool.
Especially now in today's, um, in today's world.
Amanda: Yeah. And we will be adding some more just general, I mean, since we launched this in June, it was mm-hmm. Specific topics like the budget or the guardianship bills last, um, session. Um, but now just the importance of getting information out. Mm-hmm. And like showing what.
How these things impact. So we'll be putting up shortly just some general ones on like supporting caregiver programs. So support the National Family caregiver. Yeah. Um, program or support Older [00:27:00] Americans Act programs, like just different things like that, that are more general Okay. That people can send off so that we have the tools.
Kristie: We'll be sure to, to continue to reference that. I know we have it linked on our own website at the SRC. Um, and so we know we wanna always, you guys, you know, this is a conversation around supporting the whole caregiver itself. Um, what do you want caregivers to know about taking care of themselves while they care for others?
Amanda: I feel like it sounds cliche, but I want them to know they need to take care of themselves. Mm-hmm. First, everyone always says like, putting your mask on your oxygen mask on first, and then helping others. But it's so very true because you look at the data and caregivers health declines on average faster than the person.
Mm-hmm. They're caring for. So it's like if you're not taking care of yourself, you're not going to be able to care for the person. So you just have to, and it's not as easy as I'm saying it [00:28:00] because I know a fact for myself.
Kristie: You're right, you're right, you're right. And I think sometimes, um, just that thought itself, it's like, I don't have time for myself.
You know, we have a lot of of conversations on here around guilt, you know, the yield of if I do this, then I'm not gonna do that for them. Um, but then also just the conversations with caregivers about just feeling overwhelmed and not knowing what to do, but just knowing. Mm-hmm. Like you said. First, you gotta take care of yourself.
You gotta take care of yourself.
Amanda: Yeah. Even if it's like just walk around the block or Exactly. Take 30 minute, like even just watch tv. Like just do something that you're just relaxing. Don't watch something stressful.
Kristie: No. Let's laugh through the day.
Amanda: Yeah, exactly. It can be something really simple, but you have to just let it.
Go and have a little time to yourself.
Kristie: Absolutely be intentional. I always say you gotta have a little intentionality about how you're moving through the day, no matter what. What's some ways that, um, [00:29:00] caregivers or the community itself can stay engaged with the Senior Alliance or with you directly? I.
Amanda: You can contact the Senior Alliance at 7 3 4 7 2 2 2 8 3 0.
Um, our website is the senior alliance.org. Um, and we do have a couple monthly newsletters also, if you wanna stay engaged and you can sign up right on our website. Um, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom, there's a subscribe box that you put your email in. We send out a caregiver. Newsletter as well as our just general one and one specifically on advocacy.
Kristie: All right. Are there any activities coming up for the senior alliance? I know you guys just move into a beautiful new space. I'm wondering are there any other activities that the Senior Alliance has coming up?
Amanda: Yeah, we do have our annual luncheon on May 9th. Um, so we really hope to have people there. Um, we give out awards, present our annual report.
Um, this year our. [00:30:00] Legislative award is being given to, um, attorney General Dana Nessel, nice for her work in guardianship and elder abuse prevention. Um, so she'll also be speaking. At the event too.
Kristie: Nice. Exciting. So we wanna thank you today and thank the Senior Alliance. Thank Jason. Thank you for joining us today, Amanda.
I know it's been a long time coming for us, and it's so important to shine a light on the tools and programs and equity work happening behind the scenes and in the lives of our caregivers. And to our listeners, if you found this episode helpful, please subscribe. Leave us a review and share it with a friend or fellow caregiver.
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